Exchange between Catholic Apologist and Anti Catholic Protestant (Seventh day Adventist)

  This exchange happened months ago on our official FB page "Roman Catholic Mass" on which I worked as a page administrator. A Protestant (Seventh day Adventist) named Isiah Amos wrote his Anti Catholic sentiments on our page wall, I respond with reverence and respect as  I value Christian living.

His statement will be color Red, while my response is in Blue.

Isaiah Amos



Roman Catholic popes are antichrists, false prophets, and sons of the devil. The Roman Catholic system-state is a synagogue of Satan, and Roman Catholicism is a doctrine of demons. The Roman Catholic system-state is not the bride of Christ; it is a hideous harlot, a profane prostitute, a filthy whore. In Holy Scripture, Yahweh Elohim Almighty testifies against Roman Catholic leadership and its followers because of their polytheism, idolatry, blasphemy, seventh-day Sabbath breaking, rebellion against the authority of Yahweh, murder, adultery, stealing, bearing false witness, and covetousness. Yahweh Elohim Almighty decrees: “I am the Lord your God […] You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you. You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.” Sin is the transgression of the Law of God, and the wages of sin is death. Therefore, repent! Confess and forsake your sins. Believe in the crucified, resurrected, and exalted Christ, who is the Son of the living God. Believe in the redemptive blood of Christ, which He shed on Calvary’s cross. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned. Repent or perish in hell fire!

  Your argument is still baseless and floating I wont argue with you deeper.. God Bless 

   Before I forget.. Where is your Charity? I speak to your self as a Christian yet you act like unchristian.. Sorry you are just a guest of this page.. So be polite.

So have I become your enemy by telling you the truth?

Did I say that you are my Enemy?? I said earlier that you are just my guest..

Truth? What truth? The truth is our Church founded on 33AD by Christ at Ceassera Phippi through Peter the Rock holding the Authority Keys which what bond from the Earth will bond to Heaven and what ever loose will loose to Heaven. And we have unbroken lineage of Pope from Peter down to Francis. If you accuse our Pope to be False and Anti-Christ then It is your Problem not ours.. It is like you said that Peter is False and Anti-Christ..

In Greek, the word "pope" means "father." Christ Himself commanded: "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven" (Matthew 23:9). Therefore, the Roman Catholic "pope" is in direct disobedience to the word of Christ.

Of coarse I know that. What about the commandment #4? I guess you didnt call your Father as your Father out of Respect. How about Abraham he been Called as Father of Nations even Paul was called as Father by the Gentile. Do you think these people commit a offense?

"Honor your father and your mother" as you said earlier on your post..

How can you showed HONOR if you cant call your Father as "Father"?

If you are willing and able, please explain the meaning of Matthew 23:9.

 It is referring to the pharisee who prefer to call themselves father out of their pride and does not observed humility.

 Why you cant explain? Yet you open up that Argument? I expect that you must explain it not just by quoting it.

If you are unable and unwilling to explain Matthew 23:9, then I understand that you are incompetent to explain the Holy Scripture.

 I explain it above it refer to the pharisee who prefer to call themselves father out of their pride.

 How about you then? It is a mediocre to quote-a-quote a verse without a further explanation.. As What I said on my first comment is "Baseless and Floating argument". Where is the self serving etiquette now?

In Matthew 23:9, Christ abhors, condemns, and forbids anyone to claim the title, the position, and the power of the Heavenly Father. In satanic arrogance and insolence, the Roman Catholic "pope" assumes the title, the position, and the power of the Heavenly Father. He asserts that he is infallible; he is sinless; he forgives sins; he is to be prayed to; and he is to be worshipped. Therefore, the Roman Catholic "pope" is not obedient to Christ; he is disobedient to Christ.

 That is fallacy Christ condemns the arrogant and pride of the pharisee, it does not connect on how the Pope should be addressed and be called. The Catholic Church does not teach your allegation let me explain, infallibility is not the absence of sin. Nor is it a charism that belongs only to the pope. Indeed, infallibility also belongs to the body of bishops as a whole, when, in doctrinal unity with the pope, they solemnly teach a doctrine as true. We have this from Jesus himself, who promised the apostles and their successors the bishops, the magisterium of the Church: "He who hears you hears me" (Luke 10:16), and "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" (Matt. 16:19). The right definition of Infallibility is that the Pope is free from error not from sin, as long as the Faith and Moral is concerned and declared it "Ex Cathedra".

Is 22:20-21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah: And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and "he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem", and to the house of Judah.

Is 22:22-23 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father’s house.

THIS PROPHECY IS FULFILLED IN ST. PETER [MATT 16:18] TO WHOM THE KEY OF THE KINGDOM OF THE MESSIAH WAS GIVEN. TOGETHER WITH THE ENTRUSTMENT OF THE KEY ALSO THE GIVING OF THE TITLE ‘FATHER’ TO THE INHABITANTS OF THE KINGDOM. SINCE ST. PETER IS THE VERY FIRST STEWARD OF THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN FROM THE LORD JESUS HIMSELF THEN HE IS THE FIRST POPE, THE FIRST ‘PAPA’ OF THE KINGDOM OF JESUS.

In Matthew 16:18, Christ gives Simon the name "Peter"; He Himself did not explicitly or implicitly give Simon the title of "pope" or "father." In the Greek language, the name "Peter" means "stone, rock"; it does not mean "pope" or "father."

That is why Jesus change the name into Petrus or Kepha on Aramaic because he will be a Vicar of Christ. Same on Abraham whose his name from Abram his name Change because he is the Father of Nations. Jacob is Change into Israel because he will be a Father on his Tribes.. It same application on Peter he was a Father of the Church because he is the Vicar or the Authority vested on him from Jesus. It is clearly that Isiah prophesied  the creation of Church of Christ and the ordination of Peter. It stated that he will be called "Father to the inhabitant of Jerusalem" because The Catholic Church is the new Jerusalem. At the same manner the newly elected Pope change their name from Baptismal name to Papal name.

You said: "Jesus change the name into Petrus or Kepha on Aramaic because he will be a Vicar of Christ." Which Scripture explicitly states that Christ change Simon's name to "Petrus" or "Kepha"? Which Scripture explicitly states that Simon will be the "Vicar of Christ"?

Which Scripture explicitly states that Christ change Simon's name to "Petrus" or "Kepha"?

"And he brought him to Jesus. And Jesus looking upon him, said: Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is interpreted Peter." -John 1:42-

Which Scripture explicitly states that Simon will be the "Vicar of Christ"?

Vicar is of "earthly representative of God or Christ" but also used in sense of "person acting as parish priest in place of a real parson"

He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: "Feed my lambs".
 He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: "Feed my sheep".

-John 21:16-17-

Christ commissioned Peter to feed his Sheep on place on him.

In John 1:42, Christ called Simon "Cephas," not the "Pope." In John 21:16-17, Christ commands Peter to feed His sheep, not to be the "Vicar of Christ."

Yes he is called Cephas and his people called him "Father" as what prophecy of Prophet Isaiah ( Isaiah 20:21-22, 22-23) fullfield Peter fullfield that Prophecy. About John 21:16-17 And yes it is understood that the flock was comissioned to Peter in the place of Christ. Therefore as what the "Vicar" define he is the eartly representative of Christ, He is the leader of the Church in place of Christ.. The Church has Christ as Head Leader and the Pope is the eartly leader to guide the flock.

In Isaiah 22:20-22, Yahweh Elohim addresses "Eliakim the son of Hilkiah." If Yahweh is addressing "Eliakim the son of Hilkiah," then He is not addressing "Simon the son of John" (John 1:42).

You said: "Therefore as what the "Vicar" difine he is the eartly representative of Christ, He is the leader of the Church in place of Christ.. The Church has Christ as Head Leader and the Pope is the eartly leader to guide the flock." Christ did not send Peter to be the Helper, Comforter, Advocate, and Intercessor of the church; Christ sent the Holy Spirit to be the Helper, Comforter, Advocate, and Intercessor of the church (John 16:7). Christ does not teach that Peter "will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment"; Christ teaches that the Holy Spirit "will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment" (John 16:8). Christ does not teach that Peter will guide "you into all the truth"; Christ teaches that the Holy Spirit "will guide you into all the truth" (John 16:13).

Of coarse Christ sent the Holy Spirit and The Holy Spirit strengthen the Church and his Pope.. I guess I already presented to you some of the verses.. I already refuted your argument.. You forgot that Peter is not just the Leader of Christ Church but also the Head of the Apostles and the Prince of the Apostles.

Isaiah 22:20-22 does not prophecy about Peter. In Isaiah 22:20-22, Yahweh Elohim addresses "Eliakim the son of Hilkiah." If Yahweh is addressing Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, then He is Eliakim the son of Hilkiah. To put it another way, Eliakim the son of Hilkiah is not Simon (Peter) the son of John; and Simon (Peter) is not Eliakim the son of Hilkiah.

 Elikim is Simon Peter son of John the prophecy does not explicit reveal the subject. Same goes to the Prophecy of Christ as Missiah was adressed as Emmanuel.. And the fullfilment is First chapters of book of the 4 evangelist.. That Prophecy is fullfield by Peter as Christ gave him Authority the Keys of Heaven linked to Matt 16:18-19.

You said: "That Prophecy is fullfield by Peter as Christ gave him Authority the Keys of Heaven linked to Matt 16:18-19." I cannot discern this link you are talking about. Please explain and expound further.

 I explained it all way around, guess better to discern learn more our Catholic Faith.  God Bless.

                  Peter knelt as he received the Keys of Heaven from Christ